• TO MAKE SURE YOUR BOLTING COMES OUT RIGHT ON THE ISO FOR BUTTERFLY LUG VALVE:
    I have a Lug Style Valve that has all Cap screws (for this example I will use 8cap screws) instead of stud bolts. The following checklist will help to makesure that bolting will come out correctly on the Bill of Material.

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    Make sure your Flange has BLRF with 8 BLTPs with defined     BDIAM. This BDIAM needs to say for example ( 0.625 in ) - the inches part     is really important.
    Make     sure the valve has BLRF with also 8 BLTPs with defined BDIAM that matches     the Flange [LEFT][COLOR=#222222][FONT=Calibri]( 0.625 in ) - using the same format.[/FONT][/COLOR][/LEFT]
    [LEFT][COLOR=#222222][FONT=Calibri][LEFT][COLOR=#222222][FONT=Calibri]BTYP needs to be CAP for this valve and Bthkness is     either a number of inches or mm. It could also be a function for example (     ATTRIB RPRO FTFD / 2 ). [LEFT][COLOR=#222222][FONT=Calibri]This specific function takes half the length of the valve.[/FONT][/COLOR][/LEFT][/FONT][/COLOR][/LEFT][/FONT][/COLOR][/LEFT]
    [LEFT][COLOR=#222222][FONT=Calibri][LEFT][COLOR=#222222][FONT=Calibri][LEFT][COLOR=#222222][FONT=Calibri]You should make sure your SCOMs for the Valve have the     correct Blrfarray (BLRF) pointing to the created CAP BLRF - this will be     different for every size valve.[/FONT][/COLOR][/LEFT][/FONT][/COLOR][/LEFT][/FONT][/COLOR][/LEFT]
    [LEFT][COLOR=#222222][FONT=Calibri][LEFT][COLOR=#222222][FONT=Calibri][LEFT][COLOR=#222222][FONT=Calibri][LEFT][COLOR=#222222][FONT=Calibri] [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#222222][FONT=Calibri]Check     you butterfly connection types - they should all be wafer ones, so they     should start with W (i.e. WFBB) This will be true for all Wafer and Lug     style butterfly valves.[/FONT][/COLOR][/LEFT][/FONT][/COLOR][/LEFT][/FONT][/COLOR][/LEFT][/FONT][/COLOR][/LEFT]
    [LEFT][COLOR=#222222][FONT=Calibri][LEFT][COLOR=#222222][FONT=Calibri][LEFT][COLOR=#222222][FONT=Calibri][LEFT][COLOR=#222222][FONT=Calibri][LEFT][COLOR=#222222][FONT=Calibri] [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#222222][FONT=Calibri]Make     sure your Bolt Spec has all your CAP screws with BTYP CAP available with     Detail Ref and Material Text (if applicable) filled in.[FONT=Verdana,Arial,Tahoma,Calibri,Geneva,sans-serif]                                                                                                                                                           [/FONT][/FONT][/COLOR][/LEFT][/FONT][/COLOR][/LEFT][/FONT][/COLOR][/LEFT][/FONT][/COLOR][/LEFT][/FONT][/COLOR][/LEFT][/FONT][FONT=Calibri][LEFT][COLOR=#222222][FONT=Calibri][LEFT][COLOR=#222222][FONT=Calibri][LEFT][COLOR=#222222][FONT=Calibri][LEFT][COLOR=#222222][FONT=Calibri][LEFT][COLOR=#222222][FONT=Calibri]The final result on the ISO is 16 cap screws inserted half way into the valve on both sides of the valve, with consideration of flange thickness. Everything can be adjusted per valve cut sheet if you have mixed bolting needs or when insertion depth is clearly defined.[/FONT][/COLOR][/LEFT][/FONT][/COLOR][/LEFT][/FONT][/COLOR][/LEFT][/FONT][/COLOR][/LEFT][/FONT][/COLOR][/LEFT][FONT=Calibri]
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    Also check out this thred:
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  • Hi guys,

    we have always used old bolting method. Now I am learning the new bolting on my own. Two things are not clear to me.

    First:
    In case of full Lug-body butterfly valve like this one - https://products.ksb.com/en-th/products/valves/boax-b-12858 - why should the connection be type of wafer? As I understood from example in manual, the length calculation algorithm will go like:
    first flange thickness + gasket + wafer valve length + gasket + second flange thickness (the whole joint)
    That is not what we want though. It should be only:
    first flange thickness + gasket + ca 1/2 of wafer valve length (2x - for each side of the Lug valve)
    What am I missing here?

    Second:
    Specifications. Is it correct that when I give my piping specification reference to bolt specification, it is not needed to fill BLTREF of SPCO in pipe specification because it will be loaded automatically from bolt specification? If yes what if I have more bolts in b-spec?
    Example: We use hex bolts EN/ISO 4014 for almost all flange connections. Exception are EN/ISO 4017 hex bolts (fully threaded) that we use for Lug Type valves like the one above. If I have both 4014 and 4017 in bolt specification and both are same type (hex bolt), how the program knows that I want 4017 for Lug type connections and 4014 for all other connections? Do I need to fill BLTREF of SPCO in this case?

    Thanks for any help
  • I see what you mean for your first question. I guess itsworth testing it without the “W” in the connection type to see if you get thesame results. However, that is not what the manual says we need to do. I wentby the book and left my lug valve with WFBB for the connection type and justmade sure that my CAPS clearly state what Bthkness I want : ( ATTRIB RPRO FTFD/ 2 ) in this case half way through the valve. Your lug valve should have itsown bolt set and not point to some other bolt set in the catalog.
    I would probably use the same bolt catref to include morebolts into my spec with different detail ref and material text ref for the lugvalve that needs 4017 bolts. I would make sure these new bolts have a differentBTYP in my bolt spec. Then I would go to my BTSE for the valve in the CATE andmake sure that BTYPE in the attributes match the new BTYP I created for the newbolts. I think this is how it knows to pick the right bolts with the right descriptionfrom you bolt spec.
  • awesome Anna right way to do the connections but if we have 4 machine bolts and 4 caps screws how would you deal with this issue ;can you look into it.
  • awesome Anna right way to do the connections but if we have 4 machine bolts and 4 caps screws how would you deal with this issue ;can you look into it.


    If you have 8 BLTPs, 4 will have Bolt type set to CAP and 4 set to MACH.
    But then you need to adjust your Bolt Spec accordingly....
  • Honestly I would let the program spit out the full set of machine bolts (8 in your case) and then just add 4 cap screws in via MTOREF. ComponentAttribute called MTOREF lets you add components that are available in the specbut not drawn in your E3D environment.
  • As per client requirements and project conditions as per VMS we need to to do the tweeking of boltspecs corrado. If we can standardise it it will become more userfriendly as per BLTPS are concerned. Thanks for your information.

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    As per client requirements and project conditions as per VMS we need to to do the tweeking of boltspecs corrado. If we can standardise it it will become more userfriendly as per BLTPS are concerned. Thanks for your information.

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    Thanks Anna for sharing information, would you like show with an example about MTOREF and if it is a wafer type butterfly valve which is wafer type and single through bolts would be used how do you envisage Anna
  • Hi Corrado, I'm still struggling with that one and the helpdesk sent me the manual as explanantion. We also had a fex moths ago a training from Orinox for new catalog users, but no time was left to discuss bolting.

    I have a lug valve with 8 tapped holes (8m16 for DN100) . So I created a BTSE for the valve and I have a BTSE for the flange. (see in attachment)  . on the scoms I put the blrf to those btse.  What is still going wrong then ?

    BOLTSET-VALV.TXT

    BOLTSET-FLANGE.TXT