Aveva possibly dropping P&ID package!

How can I Label a piping, ducting and tubing in VPE P&ID if piping, ducting and tubing are part of single flow-sheet.

Hello Vivek,

In VPE P&ID, you can only lable items classified as "pipe" for connectivity.  You draw other entites such as tubing or ductwork with a different line type, but it must fall in the category of pipe on the engineering explorer for it to be recognised as a connected item.

Unfortunately, this will cause these items to appear in the pipe list in VPE Workbench.  It will also require you to label these items with the same format as your defined pipe label.

If you want to show these items on your P&ID and label them with dumb text, you can draw them as unintelligent graphical entities as you would with normal AutoCAD.

While AVEVA are implementing a means to model cable and raceway in PDMS, the equivalent does not work in P&ID at this time (nor do I think it will be implemented--personal opinion).

Regards,
Elizabeth

Thank You Very Much Elizabeth. I have few more querries.
1. When we start tagging the valves, there is no indication in Engineering Explorer for untagged valves unlike other entities for which indication are available for untagged items. How untagged valves will be accounted? During validation and synchronization. Is there any way to recognise them beforehand.
2.AutoCAD drawings cannot be imported with 100% success to VPE P&ID. During product DEMO Aveva claims that they have developed an interface between AutoCAD and VPE P&ID. Also, it seems AutoCAD version 2007 is not supported by latest version of VPE P&ID.
3. What kind of Infrastructure an organisation should plan for using VPE P&ID and VPE Workbench to develop say 100 Intelligent P&ID's.

I have tried a AutoCAD P&ID, I would rate it as good drafting tool and not as Intellignet as VPE P&ID.

Cheers,
Cyril

1. There is no facility availiable to view Piping valve tag in the engineering explorer as its consider to be a bulk Item, but you can see the Instrument valves. You can always have a count of untag valves by using P&ID reports.
2. All the Graphics can be imported from AutoCAD and only you need to key in the Intelligent tags.
3.There is a lot to answer to your questions and it all depends on the deliverable required.

1. When we start tagging the valves, there is no indication in Engineering Explorer for untagged valves unlike other entities for which indication are available for untagged items. How untagged valves will be accounted? During validation and synchronization. Is there any way to recognise them beforehand..

VPE P&ID only accounts for bulk items like untagged valves when you use the VPE P&ID Reports program.  For its purpose, the valves are uniquely identified by their handle and their block type and spec. You can get valve counts from Reports by selecting that report type.

2.AutoCAD drawings cannot be imported with 100% success to VPE P&ID. During product DEMO Aveva claims that they have developed an interface between AutoCAD and VPE P&ID. Also, it seems AutoCAD version 2007 is not supported by latest version of VPE P&ID..

Drawings should be checked for errors before importing.  If you find errors, they must be fixed before you can import accurately.  If specific items are not importing, it may be how you drew them or possibly a bug in your version of P&ID that doesn't handle those items well.  To answer better, I'll need to know what version are you using and what are the item types that don't import.

3. What kind of Infrastructure an organisation should plan for using VPE P&ID and VPE Workbench to develop say 100 Intelligent P&ID's.

Your infrastructure should be based on the number of drafters you have working on a project and the project schedule.  Of course you'll need hardware, AutoCAD and P&ID for each drafter, sufficient hard drive space on a shared network to allow the project work to run smoothly, and a centrailsed process for validation and checking of drafting.  If you want a more detailed answer than that, I'll need to know more about what you are specifically looking to do.

HTH (hope that helps),
Elizabeth

Yay.  my first post.  I'll throw in my two cents into this....

1) One workaround is to create valves that act like equipment (give them P&ID Type of EIN).  This way you can also upload them to Workbench if necessary (I.e. specialty valve items). Or, as Elizabeth said, make them instrument valves.
2) P&ID 7.2 is compatible with AutoCAD 2008 (NOTE: can't go back to 6.2 once installed!).  Never tried the import myself, but I have found xreffing in a 'dumb' AutoCAD drawing into a new P&ID drawing and tracing it goes fairly quick.  Granted not as quick as importing, but faster then drawing from scratch.
3) Can tell you what we have.  Two virutal servers on one box for the Workbench Oracle DB and Workbench Application servers. We manage all our P&ID projects on the same application server used by Workbench.  That way all Aveva stuff is kept together.  But you don't have to do it that way (the P&ID stuff anyways).  The beauty thing about P&ID is that it's 'footprint' is really small, so it can be kept pretty much anywhere, but as Elizabeth said, you'll want a good connection between servers for uploading and WAPI purposes.

ACAD 2008 is now supported with VPE P&ID 7.2.  They are currently working on SP3 as we speak which has some super-cool stuff in it.  Being that it's SP3, you can be fairly sure that the 'major' gremlins have been worked out in moving to a newer version of ACAD.

[QUOTE=vivekagrawal;15222]Thank You Very Much Elizabeth. I have few more querries.
1. When we start tagging the valves, there is no indication in Engineering Explorer for untagged valves unlike other entities for which indication are available for untagged items. How untagged valves will be accounted? During validation and synchronization. Is there any way to recognise them beforehand.
2.AutoCAD drawings cannot be imported with 100% success to VPE P&ID. During product DEMO Aveva claims that they have developed an interface between AutoCAD and VPE P&ID. Also, it seems AutoCAD version 2007 is not supported by latest version of VPE P&ID.
3. What kind of Infrastructure an organisation should plan for using VPE P&ID and VPE Workbench to develop say 100 Intelligent P&ID's.

Hello vivek,
Autocad 2006 is better supported to all aveva products rather than the latest ones.